As posted in another tread, We might have a serious snag with this event guys. I have been contacted by Timber West’s property management division today over email and been told we do not have permission in placed to hold this event and it will be trespassing.

I have responded to her and hopefully will be able to come to an agreement. I'm not sure if they believe the site is being used for a profit venture or what and the reason why the outstanding permission given to use the site in the past is not valid. Or if it has expired, forgotten or what. I hope to find out more tomorrow when she response. Lets keep our figures crossed and work with Timber West to resolve this matter, as we don't want this to go sour and ruin this weekend and future use of this area.

Hopefully we can come to an agreement that protects all our interests, but be prepared to give and take a little. I think the advertisment of paint sales is what set the alarm bells going or someone local ratted us out as I have seen some negitive posts on alberni.ca about paintballers using the area in the past. I don't know, but I will try everythig I can to resolve this issue. I'll keep in touch.

UH OH SPEGHETTI-O's

A metric ton of preparation has already gone into this event, and there's already storm clouds brewing over the event (literally! BCcrawlerz just informed me via MSN that we're looking at some pretty crappy weather this weekend), and now this?

Damn it all...

I'll play if it's raining frogs and I will crawl through a foot of mud - but then again I'm crazy.
Hopefully this minor Timber West stuff gets sorted out - it's probably just a miscommunication issue as suspected.

I'm all for bad weather! I -love- camping in the rain, and I -love- playing in the mud. Always have!

I'm NOT so awesome with getting charged with trespassing, though. That may make it even more difficult for me to find work as a security guard.

<swear filter> <swear filter> <swear filter>ing <swear filter>s and their <swear filter>ing <swear filter>s tied in a knot!*


*note: The above is not actual swearing, but rather just creative self-censorship. Just so you know, mods.

This is not very good,

I've had dealings with Timber West before and basically the only thing they want happening on their land is clear cut logging. Up until recently I worked as a commercial bee keeper, and the company that I worked for had been using Timber West's forrest lands for decades as areas for bees, about two years ago for no apparent reason they basically kicked us and all the other beekeepers off their land. Anyhow hopefully this matter can be resolved, and we'll be able to play.

Made my night,,,


Even though im not going thats really lame... you should ask them if you can pay them 10$ per person they can make good money and also do what ever they want after??

Weather Network says 30% chance of precipitation for Saturday; up to 1mm.
40% for Sunday; up to 1mm.
C'mon... that's not pretty crappy! Are you from Vancouver Island or what?
I've got a tarp big enough to cover a small speedball field (OK, I'm exaggerating- it's 40' x 30')... I can bring it if anyone wants, but I doubt there's a spot where the trees are that far apart. I've got a pile of smaller tarps as well, which I will bring.

Just replace your speed-feed with the stock lid & don't worry about the weather!

Not worried, just passing on what I've been hearing. Crawlerz didn't exactly pass on any stats, but now that you have, you're right - I've gotten wetter during a ferry ride to Powell River! This is nothing.

As for the tarp, that's EXACTLY what we'll need for the safe zone, great idea. I'll see if I've got any in a similar size, and pack it in my gearbag with a whopping big load of Paracord (to string it all up)... just in case Zero-Niner and Co. can work something out with The Man.

In the email she sent me they mentioned there was no agreement. So hopefully we can get an agreement made. I basically believe they are more worried about liability and want to remove them selves from any and to protect there trees. I believe the group in campbell River has an agreement with Timber West for there area (i could be wrong, just waht I remember hearing) and they basically can't cut trees, put nails in them or anything like that.

Lets all wait and see what they say. I'm sure they don't want to have bad press over stopping paintball in a place they have allowed it in the past.

So everyone stay patient and lets follow procedures to increase our success in this matter.

When tomn8r (or any other Nanaimo outlaw baller for that matter) gets around to reading this thread, perhaps he/she could suggest an alternative spot, just in case this issue doesn't blow over. (hint-hint). I'd rather alter plans than cancel them if necessary. I'm not familiar with any outlaw fields down that-a-way, so if anybody knows a good alternate field with room to camp, please post-up! We might need it.

Yeah, that was John of J&J paintball who aquired that permission some 15 years ago. I think Timber West is the land-owner up there, but I'm not really sure. The stipulations of the agreement were (are): No nails in live trees, and no permanent structures, and that's it. Sadly, not everyone knows the stipulations, or perhaps they just don't care, so there has been some recent (last year or two) building involving nails in trees. So far, the land owner hasn't tore the place down, but time will tell...

I imagine the same stipulations must have been in place when the Hump field agreement took effect. Now, I wasn't really looking carefully at the structures up there when I was there, but it's hard to imagine that there aren't any nails in trees up there. And if there's nails in trees, then the agreement is broken, & guess where Timber West will tell us to shove it?

Timberwest has been putting a stop to almost all recreational activities on their land for a while now. Some idiots torched some of their heavy duty equipment from what I heard and since then they don't want anyone on their property. One of those situations where a couple of idiots ruin the fun fro everyone else.

As far as bad press goes from not letting a bunch of paintballers play on their land...I'm pretty sure they aren't too worrried about it. They would be muuch more worried about one of those paintballers (or innocent bypasser) getting hurt on their land.

if timberwest owns that land, then many years ago when the original Port Alberni 'Ballers started up there, they may or may not have talked to them about creating the field. i'm sure the TW reps' knew that building a paintball field would come down to hammering some nails into the trees. 99% of those blinds and bunkers have been nailed to those trees for many years. they are still alive. trees fall down dead all the time without nails in them. if TW wants those trees for lumber they will have to wait a few more years until they are big enough to cut a 2x4 out of.

i'm sorry to hear that TW is threatening to remove our access to the field. I am choked, and will be very upset if TW actually closes access. if that happens we will just have to find another area and start over. I'm not going to stop playing in Alberni just because some TW dude says so. I'm sure we can find someone with some land or maybe some Crown land and get permission from the city or whoever and build bigger and better, and TW can keep their "useless for timber" field. if they haven't needed it yet they won't ever need it. they have thousands and thousands of Acres of trees that are more suited for whatever they need them for.

-1 for TW

I guess we're all invading Toms backyard in Nanaimo now.
You're ready to host a 100 campers on your lot aren't you Tom?

well i can almost 99.9% guarantee there will be no agreement with timber west. no way no how as if forget it. and that's how the renegade cookie crumbles un4tunately ha ha.
k so here we sit. (i just heard the news). so imma bit unprepared 4 some great idea outta th' seat of my pants. - but all is not lost. we have many leaders and creativists etc. in the community. an alternate location? boot lagoon? i dunno. it wouldn't really be a problem having campers and players on the weekend at my place in nanaimo. it would be short notice etc. but i'm a believer in what we all have going with island united and the big game formats.

if it goes at my place:

- no aditional costs
- people are gonna wanna carpool, like squeeze 3-4 per vehicle would be a must
- we'd need volunteers to bring some of the speedball bunkers up from duncan to enhance what's here
- prolly best to keep it to one day (sunday) in light of the 'situation' but i'm flexible

an alternate port alberni location would be better but there'd be no forts...... hmmmm other ideas fella's?

We make friends with PA cops - have them evacuate the downtown core and we play a urban assault games for the day.

It'll cost us a lot of donuts and the clean up is going to take forever but it'll be hella fun.

That is my paintball dream. That and playing the Oklahoma D-Day Scenario Game.

as much as i hate woodsball/scenario that would be so dope.

<swear filter>.

i would ask pete at midway but i dont think he would want to do it without making some kind of profit. <swear filter> i hate people who cant stand to see other people have a good time....<swear filter> me sideways!!! <swear filter> piss <swear filter> cock!!

okay, i messaged pete from midway on facebook seeing if we could use his 100 acre field with toms deals and off field paint allowed. its a long shot but im trying.

another possible option? rezzdawgs field perhaps?

That would be very sweet of Pete to do so... even with the standard field fees.
What is "Rezzdawgs" field?

before we all jump overboard, lets wait until we hear back today. its only 6:45am still

we'll be willing to host the island's united in nanaimo if everything falls apart with the hump. sunday only. camping saturday nite for those who wish. free. huge view. lotsa room. fires okay. so's beers ..........

if i know it's a go, i'll prep everything to accomodate every1. it's a small field but it's thick with lotsa variety. covered staging area. washroom for the ladies. coffee.

no additional 'field fee'
no increase in paint costs - still starting in the $30/case range

if you're camping i have a 4200 sq. ft. house under construction on site (with a roof) players can go into.

the hump would be ideal, but from my understanding, timberwest won't allow it which is a shame - but life. i realize a lot of players like the renegade 'feel' and i do too. we can regroup and do another biggie at some of the other renegade locations for the one after this weekend. every city has a renegade field.

I've contacted Pat from my old stomping grounds, Gemini Paintball. Unfortunately, the field is no longer in operation, and probably wouldn't have been large enough for our purposes.

That being said... this is from Dave, the operator of Point Blank Paintball, via Facebook:



Just a few words:

Point Blank Paintball is down the street from 19 Wing Comox, which is just under an hour north of Nanaimo. Having grown up there, I am very familiar with the area. There is a bakery on-site, a convenience store and gas station about a ten-minute march away, and the local CanEx (currently under renovation right now) sells a small selection of military supplies, non-surplus clothing, food, and some camping stuff. Those of you bringing vehicles will also have access to the Griffin Pub, an awesome restaurant and liquor store right at the end of 19 Wing's runway. Great place to get a drink and good food!

Parking at Point Blank may be an issue if there are a lot of vehicles, so please consider carpooling as much as you can - also, if your vehicle rides low to the ground you may wish to park at the bakery. There are some HUGE dips in the road that make for some really deep puddles on the road in.

UPDATE: Trying to do anything with this cluster-<swear filter> is starting to aggravate me all over again. As if I wasn't having enough problems, Shaw decided to turn off my ancient-yet-reliable modem to force me to switch to this new bandwidth-capping, traffic-monitoring monster - "to give you better downloading speeds and more a dependable connection." Now I can't load a single bloody page in five minutes, connect to MSN, or even send a message across Facebook. Piss off, Shaw.

Unfortunately, Dave has declined to host the event over the weekend - he is expecting higher-than-normal attendance this weekend. Sorry, guys, Comox and Courtenay are out.

all these angry 'ballers. and shaw. and hydro. and timber west. and wcb. and icbc. and hst pst gst fderal and provincial tax. and homeowner tax due next month......

This is really gonna suck... I have gotta go to Port Alberni no matter what this weekend as we have already made plans to stay at the mother in laws and have a visit as well... So if the game is any further away than Nanaimo Im basically out... I have heard the rez dawgs have a wicked lil field in the bowser area which wouldnt be too bad of a drive at all.. Ill post something up on their facebook group and see if we can get any help there if need be..

i hope pete get's back to you josh, it would be wicked to use midway, but i don't think i could see pete going for the off field paint, which sucks... i work sunday morning, until about 1pm, so i could make the later portion of the games MAYBE, if i don't have to work later in the day... sat i have all day off, just for the port alberni game, but it does seem like TW is going to shut us out... F!

Looks like it canceled. Guys.... Sorry!

What we need is some sort of offical orginization, 5mil insurance and a signed non-exclusive licence with Timber West and No over night camping. Not imposible but not possible for this weekend. I have asked about the future of the site, as I don't think they really know what is up there, so we'll see if they will be inforcing this and locking down the area or not.

But for now we must cancel.

Now the question is should we form an oginization and look into what insurance will cost. Good thing about that is as an orginization with insurance, we will be able to provide that to all fields that fly under our banner. BUt have no idea what it will cost or if its fesable or not.

this is the letter she send me back

Well that just BLOWS!!!! Now what?

POST REDACTED

Sounds good to me, Tom. If there are no games Saturday, then I wont be camping.
How "small" is this "small" field? Do you think it's big enough to accommodate 30 on 30 games?
How do you get there? Address?


Campbell River's outlaw field is puney, btw... not at all suitable for Island United events.

How about at notorius's homefield....lotsa parkin!!campin allowed!!!..can even have a bunch of air bunkerz pegged up!!!what do u guyz think...and itz right besides toms place!!!..and we'll have a bunch of good paint 4 sale also!!startin at $45 - 60 for the best consistent paint!!non marbles...

we will have prize draws and tshirts and many other things! and a bbq and w.e we can cram into this day!

So is that the plan now then? Play at Toms place on Sunday? Just wanting to know for sure so I can tell the guys cause there alittle confused as to whats going on right now.

i approached j regarding a combined notorious homefield/central island paintball combined effort a few weeks back.....

perhaps there is a possibilty there. all the amenities are at C.I.P. however, including a whack of forts whithin an established paintball field - and a full sup'air field, the compressor, washroom etc.

perhaps some quick behind the scenes discussions and we can work a combined effort between the 2 properties. so yeah, that would bring the combined playfield well able to accomodate many hundreds......

book your sunday for nanaimo at 11 a.m. til 4 pm(ish). i'll start the preparations to accomodate. every1 carpool. address is 1845 nanaimo river rd.

2 km north of the nanaimo airport on the island highway is - wild play park/bungy zone - that's nanaimo river road. 9km up nanaimo river rd from the bungy zone. 1845. man with vest parking people. would it be horrible to announce field paint only at this event. that gets you your all day compressed for just $5. free loaner markers. free loaner compressed air tanks. paint starting at $30 per case, then $36, $44, $49, and finally $54 for the killer. hopefully we can grow this island community together and make the whole 'united' thing something we can all enjoy a coupla times a year. so we'll try and work something out with the neighbour for more space, but either way, - yes - central island paintball will agree to host island renegade II.

I think playing at tom's is a good idea. Hopefully he is prepared to be invaded lol.

SO question is, where is this place?

if the only thing they have a concern about is having campfires and stuff, easy fix. don't camp. have it day play only. no over-nighter's

1845 nanaimo river rd.

(while travelling on the island hwy) go to the bungy zone south of nanaimo and turn up nanaimo river road. (it's one way - up river). 9km and you'll see us.



shortcut for you's coming from north of nanaimo; turn left off the hwy at vanc. isl. university (exit 16) and go down the hill to wakesiah (lights). turn right and go 200 metres to stop sign turn right onto nanaimo lakes road - (not to be confused with nanaimo river road.). follow for approx. 10 along the paved road (do not take any dirt roads regardless of signage) past gogo's cedar sawmill till you hit nanaimo river road. turn left and go down 2 addresses.

1845 nanaimo river road. games start at 11 am.

if this confuses you then go to the bungy zone south of nanaimo and turn up nanaimo river road. (it's one way - up river). 9km and you'll see us.

TOM'S FIELD IT IS!! I will be there with as many ballers as i can manage. thanks for saving hump2 tom.

p.s you still selling the air tanks at $44 used and $55 new?? also you still selling the 98s for $69?

So it's called then? Is everyone in agreement?
Southpark? Fifthplanecomin? Will you guys still make it to Tom's on Sunday? If not to play, at least so we can get our pending transactions out of the way?

is this going to be on the Saturday? That would be the only day I could make it.

according to timberwest's own website map, they don't own the hump game site. Their property is on the south side of #4.... Unless their map isn't updated.

tom did you perchance ask timberwest for a map detailing their properties? Such a thing would be handy. To determine if in fact the current hump site is even on their land and if so, where work can begin in setting up a new site off their land. From my searching around it doesn't appear that they own all that much property around PA.

whatever it takes to make it work. here's the dillemma; if we ping pong back and forth, then confusion will reign supreme. personally i want it at the hump; lotsa forts, semi-central, in a newly-developing paintball area, every1 knows where it is. it's adventuresome. BUT if we don't nail a location - like now - we'll have drop outs left right and centre cuz no1 wants to show up somewhere only to hear it's been moved or cancelled.

so perhaps zero-niner can recontact the TW lady and see if they even own that section - but that would have to happen real quick. like 2day quick. and i'm not sure that can happen. so by nailing down the alternate location, every1 can still go and we will have learned to be better prepared next time.

not every1's on this forum, yet this is the place where all the info is. so last-minute changes are a recipe for disaster. i'll open up central island paintball to 'island renegade' this sunday but for the next one, let's ensure we have locations better arranged. a cancellation is the worst thing, a re-location, while bad, still isn't a cancellation.

let's get every1 2gether for this peeps! keep the mojo flowing!

updates:

- 2nd adjoining property a possibility (our old vancouver island paintball field) with attack/defend tower
- at least 1 full, complete sup'air field right in the centre of the woodsball course - speedy woodsball?
- lowest prices ever on the planet earth
- at least 2 bulk compressed tanks w/compressor for faster, higher-pressure fills
- 100 cases of fresh paint with 7 varieties
- central staging area w shelter, washroom, coffee, running water, parking, view(!) only 10 minutes off the hwy.
- free loaner markers and masks
- free loaner compressed air tanks
- a few refs for smoother sailing and regular games

11 am start - 4 pm(ish) finish 1845 nanaimo river rd. - sunday (free camping saturday nite)

well the devils rejects will be there

EVERYBODY SPREAD THE WORD THE HUMP GAME IS NOW MOVED TO TOM'S FIELD. SUNDAY ONLY!!
im sure there are people who are not on forums that need to know as well. spread the word. we dont want some straggling ballers goin to the hump to find out they are all alone and possibly get arrested,.........................spread the word.

Done sir. I've updated my travel group as of last night, just in case Cyborg hasn't been watching these threads.

Also did my finances for the month and it doesn't look like I'll be playing. If the event needs a volunteer (we'll know shortly enough), I may still show up.
Otherwise, it's looking like this game is going to be pretty low on some cosmic priority list of "Things Wingnut should be doing this weekend."