Fifthplanecomin
Dec 2 2009, 06:21 PM
As some of you know I'm pretty much done with competitive play. I thought I was done in 2K7 but I wanted one last year of it.
I will not say that I'm quiting paintball because you can't really quit something you love. I'll be around, random practices, maybe even guest for a event.
I'll always be glad to volunteer my time to reff, judge, coach or lend hand anyway I can to help you guys.
I did however discuss with my wife at the beginning of this season that this would be my last year of regular weekly practices and the last of my commitment to all provincial series events. My next goal is to buy a house and that unfortionatly at this time is a goal that is not going to allow me to continue my weekly drives to Nanaimo or Duncan spending $100-200/week on practices and $700-1000/event.
This sport is worth every penny I've ever spent on it. The travel, the time, the friends and the frustrations but now, I'm shifting my $8-10K/yr to a house I can raise a family in.
I have many provincial and national championship trophies from all other sports I've ever been in and honestly island paintball needs a lot more work in organization, administration, training programs and facilities - <swear filter> even retards on the track field have it better then us and so do the under 12 soccer kids.
The Island has a long way to go in bringing this competitive 'sport' up to par with other competitive sports and one day we just might make it happen.
The past four years have been the best BC has probably ever seen. We've seen a large community growth in the past six years along with the birth of the BCPPL and all of that is a great start to what's needed - however - there is still a long road ahead.
tomn8r
Dec 2 2009, 10:31 PM
twas great 2 have u around. - s'pecially like the ripping sarcasm and flash wit on demand.
it really isn't the island's place to make paintball as good as the other sports tho' - there's less than a hundred of us playing competitive speedball. on the otherhand, there's prolly 30,000 kids in soccer on the island. the ratio of doers, and participants is prolly like every other sport, but with less than 100 players, the ratio leaves about 5 doers. and a few of them are the parents. so although the island isn't up 2 par yet, it's on it's way. some of us have tried like mad to bring the speedball experience cheap. making practices in the 40-50 range per player, not 100. but truth is, even $40 is too much for a practice. that's $2,000 a year not including gear, travel, entries, paint, upkeep, etc etc etc.
truth is, for most, it just simply can't b done. if i could buy cases of paint at $20 i'd do my part and sell them for $25. but it's still too much. every1 having to shoot 2,000 plus balls is nuts. the cost of tournament is nuts. it's actually amazing that there are 100ish ballers at all! goes and comes in cycles. but 1 thing 4 sure is it isn't easy. the supernatz train twice a week religiously like dogs. the tactics are sound, the preparation is intensive and it all gets wrapped up and packaged nicely with coaches and sponsors and mad support but even still it's almost impossible to get those results.
i'm monologueing but i feel disappointment in your blurb. you make team choices that affect what you'll achieve. those choices are yours. that's not the only obstacle. you can't expect greatness at all when the sport is envisioned as a bunch of punks shooting at each other. cheating is rampant right through every aspect of the sport. it seems honour and sportmanlike play is a thing for old-schoolers. we have great energies in the pw's, the brandon's, the norm's, u, me - but the professionalism and growth is eroded by the incessant need for oneupmanship and personal ajenda's.
but aint it great?! i'd still do it all over again. feeling the rush of staring down a team like cdr and being caught up in the adrenaline of a match for it all is something very few of us ever get to feel. even at the lower divisions - it's till unbelieveable. the comraderie, the roller-coaster of emotions. the thrill of victory and the agiony of defeat. you've played am rob and looked wicked out there. you belong. so even if we only get the half rob, it's still huger than life. gl with the house and the kids and the life and we'll see you again soon. (how does sunday sound big fella ha ha)
Fifthplanecomin
Dec 3 2009, 01:07 AM
I'll be around but not this Sunday.
Disappointment in the Island - No.
Paint and gasoline could be free and IMO there would still be a truck load of work to do.
The missing pieces go beyond the basic prices involved.
Cut your count from 100 down to 50 commited players and there is still a need to improve things.
Nothing worth doing in life is ever finished with a result achieved. I've always found a way to improve things and goals of growth never seem to end.
Maybe that's why I see more for us then there is right now. I know I can help in some way I just don't see that coming from my role as a team mate or player right now.
I do see how redirecting my current financial decisions can empower other options for my life off the field.
That's why I'm not saying good bye or that I'm quiting. The tounge in cheek of it is that "I'm an idiot" for taking this current side step.
TNT Paintball
Dec 3 2009, 07:12 AM
Rob, good luck with your future endeavors. It's great to keep doing the fun stuff, but eventually"real" life has to start. Paintball as a full time hobby definitely sucks a lot of resources out of a person. I think if my spouse had to put up with me spending that much time and money on a hobby, I'd probably get fed up (not saying yor good wife is fed up, I don't know her).
Speedball is down world wide. Speedball (or any other form of paintball) will always be a niche sport. It will never be anywhere near as popular as a sport like soccer or baseball. Until a format is made popular that limits the expense (a lot), it will always struggle with attracting and retaining players. Limited paintball formats would be the most likely way for this to be achieved, but people like shooting their machine gun like "gats" just too much, so the resistance for a format like that to gain widespread popularity will probably never happen. Instead, speedball will most likely flounder along as it always has, with participants entering the game because it's just so damn much fun, and then leaving a year or two later after realizing it's sucking all their resources out of them. Only a few really dedicated players will stick around for any length of time, and they will continue to become frustrated because there aren't enough others that are as dedicated as they are.
From my outside perspective, Island speedball politics aren't as bad as they used to be, but they are still present. It seems some good leadership has stepped up to the plate letely that has made some forward strives. I still hear from many parents about the concern of the BC bud culture involved with island speedball. Don't know if that will ever go away. It's something soocer or baseball parents seem not to need to worry about. All in all, improvements have been made, but in the end, not much will be changing for a while and it will never be as popular as sports like baseball or soccer.
tomn8r
Dec 3 2009, 08:31 AM
some good points reiner. i do have 2 comment on the bud culture complaint tho' - if a parent complains about the bud culture in island speedball, they may also complain about the bc bud culture in the music scene too. i hear musicians r part of that culture too. so maybe no speedball and no music for the kids and it'll b good. oh, hang on a sec, the skaters and snowboarders. parents NEED to keep their kids away from them too. i don't think i've ever been 2 a skatebowl where there was no culture being passed.
dang, did i forget the art scene? or how about the smoking patrol car i stumbled across whilst walking the dog last week? y'know, now that i think about it, i've met quite a few 'culturalists' lately. let's see.... there must b some1 who has morals and doesn't transgress. let's see. teachers. yeh teachers. wait, um. nope. 2 many of them are culturists. surely soldiers then. nope. politicians? nope - saw mr. ______ from the nanaimo city council culturalizing at nanaimo river this summer.
i get the point reiner, but let's keep the blame for the slow speedball growth where it belongs. that, of course, is just my own personal opinion.
SouthPark
Dec 3 2009, 08:43 AM
Heh Rob,
Will miss you bud. Good luck on the house hunting and other domestics chores. Once you get in the game of home ownership life is not over and you still get to go out and play!
Expensive hobby? Paintball is roughly on par with many other hobbies/sports I have been involved in - from mountain biking ( couple of bikes a year) to sky diving (KA CHING) to down hill skiing (KACHING x 2) to sail boating to music... heck even Karate is pricey (230 a month + tournaments + new gi etc). Ya set your priorities and you go from there to make it happen.
WORK TO BE DONE. Well... I still think there needs to be a "get it done" CO-OP sort of venture. Pool resources. Ownership held by the co-op elected officials. Membership sales and shares.
Anyway... if there is work to be done LMK. I am game.
tomn8r
Dec 3 2009, 09:01 AM
how 'bout some more expansion on those thoughts dave?
how would it work? people like u n me do way more (purchasing compressors/fields/netting/lease arrangements/payment responsibilities) than every1 else, how would we fit in?
TNT Paintball
Dec 3 2009, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (tomn8r @ Dec 3 2009, 08:31 AM)

some good points reiner. i do have 2 comment on the bud culture complaint tho' - if a parent complains about the bud culture in island speedball, they may also complain about the bc bud culture in the music scene too. i hear musicians r part of that culture too. so maybe no speedball and no music for the kids and it'll b good. oh, hang on a sec, the skaters and snowboarders. parents NEED to keep their kids away from them too. i don't think i've ever been 2 a skatebowl where there was no culture being passed.
dang, did i forget the art scene? or how about the smoking patrol car i stumbled across whilst walking the dog last week? y'know, now that i think about it, i've met quite a few 'culturalists' lately. let's see.... there must b some1 who has morals and doesn't transgress. let's see. teachers. yeh teachers. wait, um. nope. 2 many of them are culturists. surely soldiers then. nope. politicians? nope - saw mr. ______ from the nanaimo city council culturalizing at nanaimo river this summer.
i get the point reiner, but let's keep the blame for the slow speedball growth where it belongs. that, of course, is just my own personal opinion.
Just relaying information Tom. Really no skin off my teeth. I don't have a problem with the culture. I've been known to acquire a little culture myself now and then. Right place and time though. Don't think I've heard of too many piano teachers teaching that kind of culture to teen students. Personally I think it shoudl be legalized, like alcohol, but you don't see too many people gettering hammered on a 26'er and playing paintball though. Right place, right time. Please don't try to justify it because others are doing it, so it must be OK. That's something my 12 year old would say.
tomn8r
Dec 3 2009, 10:18 AM
every1 else is doing it ha ha. (gotta 12 year old with a 47 year old brain do ya?)
here's the problem reiner - the government has decreed weed smoking illegal. punishable by fines, records and of course, jail. that's right. jail. ($20,000 a month to incarcerate a prisoner). - u pay for that, i pay for that. we all pay for that. for partaking in a recreational drug on our own time and not hurting ne1.
so...... because the police have a mandate to 'capture' and charge these people, we have created our own anarchy. that's right. created our own anarchy. why? because a law so absurd will b broken all the time. that's why. so what happens when the general population disregards laws? it makes the lawmakers look stoopid. they impose a law which is unenforceable. this makes the population say, "hmmmm, obviously some laws are meant to be obeyed while others can be disregarded." now you have the population deciding which laws they will obey and which laws they will break. so do we 'follow' this law? that's up 2 u 2 decide.
now if some1 sparks up at speedball, i'll try 2 b 'professional' and say go somewhere to hide, but even hiding is stoopid cuz every1 knows what's going on. i agree on being somewhat discreet and we try 2 b. but we don't hide the beer (illegal 2 consume in a public place with kids around). we don't hide the gambling (destroys families). we don't hide the smokes another bad habit that kids will do when they see adults smoking). we overshoot kids in the back a hundred times as they exit the field (i've seen the 'best' refs let this happen - a real sport killer).
i realize you are just passing it along and it's no skin off your teeth. this is your perogative and i fully respect your opinion.
a note: i have way more parents disgusted at the politics and the price of paintball then i do with 'cultural' complaints. whiich 1 do i act on? players complain to me about the price of paintball in victoria. they tell me it keeps them away. they tell me it's ruining the sport. no skin off my teeth tho' - just passing it along.
is this digressing? if you're going to bring it up, be prepared to talk about it. cultural partaking is waaaaaay off topic and certainly not the reason speedball is 'suffering' cuz ALL sports would b suffering if this were the case. shouldn't have even been brought up but i have nothing to hide. lying to our kids isn't helping the matter any either. they are a lot smarter than they are given credit for.
Fifthplanecomin
Dec 3 2009, 11:30 AM
QUOTE (SouthPark @ Dec 3 2009, 08:43 AM)

Once you get in the game of home ownership life is not over and you still get to go out and play!
I know. I've had enough friends suspend hobbies before they bought houses and are already back at those same hobbies.
We all know that when we make a deal or promise to the wife we DO NOT break it - hahahah - so for now I'll side step.
If only some people could see that even if paintballs were FREE that there is still a lot of work to be done for the competitive scene to really blow up.
I've preached a co-op idea in the past and it's one worth investigating.
BC Bud Culture killing paintball? That would make for a interesting internal news article to read.
stress69
Dec 3 2009, 11:45 AM
Good luck rob....u can take paintball outta your life..but u can't take the player from the game 4ever....now find a home and have lotsa puppies...
Why has this thread turn in2 a stereo type issue??paintball in general is down this year..not just speedball..the economy hit us a year and a half later than the usa...go ask matt/pbl,sean/badlands,or any of the 2x shops that close down on the mainland....and the bc bud culture??well itz a bc thing,in hockey,at concerts,at bday parties,at the billiards,on the beach,in a boat and wherever they choose..itz a common as booze...every1 has a decision...myself I rather play paintball...

.....I am a idiot also...
TNT Paintball
Dec 3 2009, 03:43 PM
QUOTE (tomn8r @ Dec 3 2009, 10:18 AM)

is this digressing? if you're going to bring it up, be prepared to talk about it. cultural partaking is waaaaaay off topic and certainly not the reason speedball is 'suffering' cuz ALL sports would b suffering if this were the case. shouldn't have even been brought up but i have nothing to hide. lying to our kids isn't helping the matter any either. they are a lot smarter than they are given credit for.
So Little League, hockey, basketball and other sports would have the same following they have now if coaches and players were knowingly to discreetly duck into bushes or alleys and smoke up? Maybe you're right. I'm thinking not though. Kids would be pulled out by their parents quicker than you couldput out your butt.
QUOTE (tomn8r @ Dec 3 2009, 10:18 AM)

a note: i have way more parents disgusted at the politics and the price of paintball then i do with 'cultural' complaints. whiich 1 do i act on? players complain to me about the price of paintball in victoria. they tell me it keeps them away. they tell me it's ruining the sport. no skin off my teeth tho' - just passing it along.
I assume you are talking about politics in speedball. I don't think the rec paintball fields have huge politic issues. If we do, I'm outta the loop. And I try to keep my ear to ground pretty well.
Price of paintball? I had a guy on Sunday question why our paint prices were so high. I remember this because it stands out. I haven't had a comment about high prices for a long time beofre that. For every one comment I get about high prices I get a hundred telling us it's great value. Do the higher prices keep some of the players that hang out at the Cage and such? Yes, absolutely. I hate to say it, but that's part of the idea. Luckily for them, you supply them a place where they can get their fix.
Fifthplanecomin
Dec 3 2009, 03:58 PM
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tomn8r
Dec 3 2009, 08:22 PM
" So Little League, hockey, basketball and other sports would have the same following they have now if coaches and players were knowingly to discreetly duck into bushes or alleys and smoke up? "
well i wouldn't let any little league paintballers see me b cultural either. so that point is moot. when you're talking about kids, then adults have 2 show discretion. i do my part (discretion) when there r kids around. can't control every1 tho' cuz i play almost every match. every1 at the cage save 2 or 3 are not little leaguers - they are all grown up from what i see 'cept maybe a warparty dude and 2 supernatz. so a bunch of grownups playing a competitive sport. that's the cage.
Fifthplanecomin
Dec 3 2009, 08:59 PM
EDITED.
TNT Paintball
Dec 3 2009, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (tomn8r @ Dec 3 2009, 08:22 PM)

" So Little League, hockey, basketball and other sports would have the same following they have now if coaches and players were knowingly to discreetly duck into bushes or alleys and smoke up? "
well i wouldn't let any little league paintballers see me b cultural either. so that point is moot. when you're talking about kids, then adults have 2 show discretion. i do my part (discretion) when there r kids around. can't control every1 tho' cuz i play almost every match. every1 at the cage save 2 or 3 are not little leaguers - they are all grown up from what i see 'cept maybe a warparty dude and 2 supernatz. so a bunch of grownups playing a competitive sport. that's the cage.
Then if you go back to my original post you'll see that I mentioned concern by parents (that implied that they were concerned for their kid's sake). Adults can make up their own minds.
NinjaMidget
Dec 3 2009, 10:35 PM
Drugs are bad . ... Cartoons teach me good things

I made my mind up.
SouthPark
Dec 4 2009, 07:45 AM
tomn8r
Dec 4 2009, 11:01 AM
i needed 1 after that.....
Fifthplanecomin
Dec 4 2009, 12:35 PM

Note that I did not ever say paintball costs too much. I'm just making different financial decisions with my budgeted income right now.
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it really isn't the island's place to make paintball as good as the other sports tho'
Ummm, YES it is. Not in the numbers of players but in leadership, organization, training, support, facilities and administration - it sure is IF you really want to get it done right. Plus, the greatest part of those six things is that five of them only beg for time from the right people not their money to make it work.
No thread on this forum is complete without you tooting your glory horn of success Tom when it comes to how great you and your programs are.
Spitting out your phone number, talking of your club and your 20+yrs of getting it done. The growing club trophy count - 800 trophies from 5 events including the one for biggest dong and metals for defending off Iraqies with nothing but Britney Spears used diaphram and a plastic steak knife.. Shooting guns made of wood and riding dinosaurs to speedball fields you carved out of stone with Norm. The 18.7 versions of the BC Supernaturals....and you know what - you've earnt that right as a survivor, captain, coach and rouge warrior that you are. You can sell yourself as the golden idol of paintball better then anyone else out there that tries anything close to the same...
You will never know the moment to STFU and GTFO and that's what we love about you. If I were taking gernades in the trenchs, bullets in bagdad or a flurry of fists in a bar fight I would want you at my side. You're one of those guys we all love to hate and hate to love over and over. And it works well.
But buddy you're wrong if you think our game doesn't need to rise up to bigger and better levels even if the player numbers remain the same.
No we don't need a life coach at the end of the field cheering us on as we run the flag back like downs kids have on track and we don't even need a five million dollar field like soccer gets but things like leadership, coaching, administration, organization and facilities for the sport has to rise up for every Island team.
There is so much wasted effort I've seen in my short six years - and I barely qualify to speak about it but these serious areas of weakness got to improve or this 'sport' which we think we have on track is always going to lag behind other avenues of recreation/competive sporitng activites.
I'll have the house things sorted out soon enough.
I still need that provincial series trophy and national cup in my arms to push up over my head.
It's just not going to be next year or until I change some things.
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