[tomn8r]

well. we all know this thread was gonna be starting up soon, so better early than late!

i'm sure we will all have ideas to make the next one bigger and better. and i haven't stopped thinking about it since yesterday's awesome adventure! perhaps we can use this new thread to drum up some ideas. there are literally a dozen or so renegade fields here on the island and i'd love to play them all. maybe a rotating field system? campbell river's field might work if it's still there (general hill). we used to play at drak's castle all the time in courtenay but she's a toast. cambo is far away for most but if we're gonna mix it up a bit, we'll need to travel a bit. all of us. the 'hump' is an excellent spot and i can see us using that again real soon.

also, in nanaimo here (central to every1), we have our commercial field (semi-renegadish ha ha) and if we were to get ahold of notorious jake, then perhaps we can combine our field with his mom's huge farm (we're neighbours) then the 2 combined properties would certainly be big enuff. our co. could drag all the inflatables from the cage. 50 inflatables combined with 2 properties! give jake's guys/mom a coupla' bux a head or something like that for their land usage - we'll offer up our field for no charge for the day, bring in more cheap paint. we have a washroom for the ladies (important!), lotsa parking, lotsa forts. sheltered staging. just an option but i'm pretty sure there will be lots of input on this one.

ideas guys! let's get 'er going!

This post has been edited by tomn8r: 12 April 2010 - 09:58 AM

[SouthPark]

I'm ready. IU-R2... what we gonna do?

[ShadoWalker]

Getting an idea of which fields are available and estimated capacity for staging / parking would probably be a good idea. The Alberni field is huge and when the road dries up we could probably get 150'ish people in there without too much of a squeeze, with the road wet we're probably stuck at about 100 players before we run out of dry real estate to stage on without having people staging along the side of the highway.

I'm going to set up a section for Renegade fields so anyone who plays regularly at a field where the crew is open to new comers can post up some details and how to get ahold of the guys who play there to arrange days to come play.

[Zero-Niner]

I have talked to a few PA players and we would like to have a Section on the Forums just for the HUmp if thats is possible. I think this weekend has pumped life back into the place and we need a online source to plan games and workparties, ect..

I like Tom's Idea of the next one being in Nanaimo. Nice and Central and sounds like lots of room. Plus if they could get the field next door even better.

Now you said charging per head. That would be fine, but to keep attracting the outlaw players it would need to be very low. No field costs is what attracts many outlaw / Rec players. But then again the all day air and cheap paint was a huge hit with people for sure and will bring them out too.

For Renegade 2, I would like to see more advertising in every community. Maybe listing in the "whats happening" Sections of the local papers, which are free. Plus posters placed where they are allowed and visible by our target audiance. Like Bike Shops, Pro Shops, Coffee Shops, Harware Stores, etc.. Most of these places have cork-boards set up for them, or talk to the manager to have them posted on the door or something. I can design them, but someone in each area will need to step up to print them and post them. I can even write the short and sweet press release for puting in the local papers.

With planning we can hit that 100 mark.

I like the idea of rotating around to different fields, its a great idea. I would also love to have you all back in Port again in the near future.

We need to oginize a calendar and figure out what weekends are free (and ones that land of paydays) for this season. I believe Tom was talking about a site they have created as a calendar for BC. Can't remember right now. Maybe we can work with that site to get all the info layed out so we can start filling teh weekends up. If that doesn't work maybe creating one here.


Just more of my thoughts and rambilings

Tomm

[tomn8r]

the charge per head thing.

i personally hate it. hate hate hate. i TOTALLY believe the renegade crowd needs a whole different set of idealologies in order to make it something we all want.

on the one hand you have the 'true' renegade act - which is people showing up at some non-sanctioned field, bringing in their own air and paint and lounging around jumping into the game whenever they are good and ready. this is the ultimate in convenience and ease.

on the other hand you have the 'organized' renegade act. (which is almost a contradiction in terms). paint avail., but not 'mandatory', air available but not 'madatory'. maybe a ref or two to keep things safe and games rolling along. a 'council' or 'leadership group' or 'organizer' to ensure all the little things are taken care of; garbage, chrony, signs, parking, staging area netting/seating/tables/access, boundary tape, de-fanged bunkers, timings, start horns, ref vests, arm bands, air fill station (C02), air fill station (high-pressure), first-aid, tank aquisition and securement (both C02 abnd high pressure), compressor maintainence, transportation, etc etc etc.... ad nauseum.

which one do we aspire to 'foster?' - i'm cool either way; i can show up at a pure renegade game with a buddy, bring my own paint, scuba, let some1 start the games and fire away.

or i could go to the organized one. just show up, bring a buddy, maybe pay for a case there and air, and then just fire away!

there are concerns with both types;

- with true renegade you tend to sit around more. you usually run out of supplies. (if both your markers break then you aint playing). chrono's optional. games go long. it's kinda fun and i've done my fair share of renegade games.

- with organized you lose that true renegade feel where you can do what you want when you want; there's usually some1 running around 'controlling' everything.

i've had fun with both but in all honesty, i like it a bit organized. too many times i've seen the results of 'true renegade'; less players, less games, some frustrating situations. yesterday i had a frikkin blast. - sure i'm a paintball addict in the truest sense and i love most paintball - but sunday was different. it was just better in every way than the usual renegade outing; there was endless air, lotsa paint variety, it was all really inexpensive. i felt safe with the refs and content with the break timings between games. there was game variety, no arguing(!) and the people there seemed almost like family - like we've all played together before.

just like most of the rest of you i'm keeping a keen eye as to where this goes. it's novel. 100+ renegade outlaw 'ballers getting together every few months for some 'great atmosphere' 'balln suits me fine. s'pecially if we get to travel to new fields and get more and more people on board. i won't lie to y'all, i'm very excited about the possibilities. we have more than enough brains working this one and the timing is right. hopefully it's a perfect storm and we'll have created something really cool for us and our sport.

[crboy]

well. we all know this thread was gonna be starting up soon, so better early than late!

i'm sure we will all have ideas to make the next one bigger and better. and i haven't stopped thinking about it since yesterday's awesome adventure! perhaps we can use this new thread to drum up some ideas. there are literally a dozen or so renegade fields here on the island and i'd love to play them all. maybe a rotating field system? campbell river's field might work if it's still there (general hill). we used to play at drak's castle all the time in courtenay but she's a toast. cambo is far away for most but if we're gonna mix it up a bit, we'll need to travel a bit. all of us. the 'hump' is an excellent spot and i can see us using that again real soon.

also, in nanaimo here (central to every1), we have our commercial field (semi-renegadish ha ha) and if we were to get ahold of notorious jake, then perhaps we can combine our field with his mom's huge farm (we're neighbours) then the 2 combined properties would certainly be big enuff. our co. could drag all the inflatables from the cage. 50 inflatables combined with 2 properties! give jake's guys/mom a coupla' bux a head or something like that for their land usage - we'll offer up our field for no charge for the day, bring in more cheap paint. we have a washroom for the ladies (important!), lotsa parking, lotsa forts. sheltered staging. just an option but i'm pretty sure there will be lots of input on this one.

ideas guys! let's get 'er going!

Sorry the Campbell River field on top of general hill is too small, it would be overrun with 20 let alone the 70+ we had yesterday in PA.

[tomn8r]

does general hill no longer have field 2? the high moss ground to the right of the field 1? those 2 combined would work.

[ShadoWalker]

I have talked to a few PA players and we would like to have a Section on the Forums just for the HUmp if thats is possible. I think this weekend has pumped life back into the place and we need a online source to plan games and workparties, ect..
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We need to oginize a calendar and figure out what weekends are free (and ones that land of paydays) for this season. I believe Tom was talking about a site they have created as a calendar for BC. Can't remember right now. Maybe we can work with that site to get all the info layed out so we can start filling teh weekends up. If that doesn't work maybe creating one here.

Tomm

The hump crew is more than welcome to use the Outlaw Fields section on here to organize games once I set it up, that is what it is intended to be used for after all. If you'd rather have a private or entirely seperate section for the Hump field like the team sections for WarParty and HellFire or the ones TNT, Victoria Paintball and Midway have we do charge for those.

If you look in the upper right section of the forum there is a Calendar on the site. All Members can submit an Event to it but Event postings are moderated and need to be approved by a Moderator before they'll be publicly visible, this is to prevent spam postings and what not. If you have "Supporting Member" or "Vendor" status you can post Events to the Calendar and they'll be immediately visible without requiring a Mod to approve them.

The Calendar should be up to date with all of the area Scenario games and most of the Speedball events announced to date. My hope is that people will start contributing their own events so that others can see what's going on around the area for play days.

NOTE: If you post an event and need a mod to approve it PLEASE send me a PM saying that you've posted an event and which day it is on so that I can find it and get it approved quickly. Unfortunatley the forum software doesn't notify us automatically when something needs moderator attention so I won't know about it until the next time I happen to be looking at the calendar.

SW

[SouthPark]

... happy to "approve" events submitted to the cal to when/if Lee (ShadoWalker) is not around... you post it and I'll put 'er on the Cal ASAP if you pm me to prompt me to get it done...

[Zero-Niner]

Thanks Lee, We can just use the outlaw section, noprob.

Back to what Tomm was saying about renegade. I believe what we had this weekend was perfect. Let’s call it Extreme Renegade

Small groups may be able to get away with no oginization, but to do what we did with 70+ there has to be structure. At least to the amount he had. Everything seemed to run very smoothly and I have not heard ONE Complaint, or any one not happy with what we did. The Refs really guided the flow of the day and kept everyone safe, busy and happy. There was no power tripping, bulling, "do as I say" attitude and everyone was flexible to do whatever was thrown at them for the day.

People were free to take part or not, bring what they wanted or purchase what they needed. Having the option to buy great paint at a good cost and have all day air, just sweetens the deal and I would love to see that continue whenever possible.

Now I do also agree with Tom about Fees. If we are not using and insured commercial fields then there should be no fee. So then again we still need leadership (Which we seem to have a lot of great leaders), to put themselves out there and make it happen. Then if you want to play at these free outlaw fields, we will need those that step up and volunteer to help out, before and after the games. Which we also seem to have and I believe we can foster it into a direction that in time will become something in its own right.

I think this weekend is a great start, and we have the people who can see the dream and see the potential of what an Island United can become. So let’s keep the ball moving, and if you have an idea for the next or a date, throw it out and we can all work it out together again.

[bccrawlerz]

Im definately in for round 2... And was also wondering anyone is playing in the Nanaimo area this coming weekend as I would love to get out again asap!!!!

[crboy]

does general hill no longer have field 2? the high moss ground to the right of the field 1? those 2 combined would work.

yeah it 's still there. ok it will do 30 ; )

[tomn8r]

with some work, you could do a hundy. i ran a booking there for the mill once, used both fields - 60 people. it'll need some prep to be sure.

[FreeBird]

One of the things that worked best about that day was the refs. i'd definitely feel better if that was a constant presence at these things.

- to help figure out what we played
- to call the start, time the end
- occasional paintcheck ... or yer out!

I certainly appreciated that and gladly paid a few bucks on top of the paint to buy them dinner.

Having said that, its nice to know that if I was using 12gms and a pump, the day would have cost me just gas, food and Advil.

Cheers,
Alex

[SouthPark]

Uh huh... I did not mind the refs and efforts to organize... getting 70 ballers all pointed in the same direction is a bit different then the average outlaw game with 15 to 20 ballers... as numbers go up I think some sort of "direction" is needed... or things just don't happen...